WHERE HAVE OUR BATTLE FIELDS GONE ? My Communications with O.S. and RCAHMW.

Sent: 24 July 2008 14:02

To: Customer Services O.S. Maps.
Subject: *FOI* Welsh Battle Sites.

Dear Sir/Madam.

Could you please inform me as to how many Welsh Battlefields are:

1: Marked on your maps at present.

2: How many were marked on your older maps but no longer, and why not?

3: Are you likely to mark further Welsh Battle sites on your maps in the near future, if so. which ones?

I would appreciate any information you can provide me with, including relevant maps on which above are or, were marked and if such are still available to purchase.

Sincerely.

S.Ifan.

Dear Sian

As the Royal Commission for Ancient and Historic Monuments Wales should hold the definitive list of Welsh battle sites and we do not hold such a list but do indicate battle sites, are you able to please provide a list of battles and their possible locations so that we can answer your enquiry?

I look forward to hearing from you shortly.

Best wishes

Tony Gray

Records Manager (Freedom of Information/Data Protection)

Ordnance Survey

Rm C363, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU

Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2540| Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 617648| Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2572

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Dear Sian

Request for Information

Ordnance Survey reference: 68847

Thank you for your email clarification dated 10 August 2008 requesting: Could you please inform me as to how many Welsh Battlefields are:

1: Marked on your maps at present.

2: How many were marked on your older maps but no longer, and why not?

3: Are you likely to mark further Welsh Battle sites on your maps in the near future, if so which.

I would appreciate any information you can provide me, including relevant maps on which above are, or were marked and if such are still available to purchase.

I regret to inform you that Ordnance Survey is unable to help you with your enquiry as we do not hold this information for the following reasons:

For Wales, Ordnance Survey publishes battlefield site information which has been supplied by the Royal Commission for the Ancient and Historical Monuments Wales (RCHAMW) situated at Aberystwyth. When updating small scale mapping we request from RCAHMW a current list of antiquities, including battlefield sites, which they may wish Ordnance Survey to add or continue publishing on Explorer and Landranger mapping. This process has been in place for at least 20 years and over time we have been adding and deleting antiquity items, but always at their instigation/authorisation. Ordnance Survey does not hold this information in list form, which is why we are unable to give you any reason as to why (or even when) we removed the Battles of Coed Lathan (1257) and Stalling Down (1403) from our ‘old’ mapping.

To include any of Owain Glyndwr’s battlefield sites on our mapping, authorisation has to be provided by RCAHW, as they are our sole supplier of such information in Wales. You will need to consult with them about these specific battle sites. If we receive acknowledgement and instruction from RCAHMW that they agree with your request, we will add these sites at the next revisions of the relevant maps. Our paper maps are subject to revision schedules which will, I am afraid, determine whether these sites would be added to any of our map series in 2009, although they could appear in our basic large scale digital data within a shorter timeframe. This will all depend on the response from RCAHMW.

Regarding your request as to how many are battle sites are marked on our older maps, unfortunately this part of your request falls outside the parameters of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (FOIA) as there is no requirement under the FOIA to carry out analytical work where the information does not already exist.

Please note that your enquiry has been processed to Freedom of Information guidelines. If you are unhappy with our response, you may raise an appeal to our Appeals Officer at:

Customer Service Centre
Ordnance Survey
Romsey Road
SOUTHAMPTON

SO16 4GU

Please include the reference number above. The Appeals Officer will ensure that the process has been followed correctly, questioning any decisions taken regarding the original response and recommending disclosure of additional information if appropriate.

Thank you for your enquiry.

Yours sincerely

Tony Gray

Records Manager (Freedom of Information/Data Protection)

Ordnance Survey

Rm C363, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU

Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2540| Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 617648| Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2572

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From: sian Ifan [mailto:s.ifan@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 10 August 2008 16:39
To: Tony Gray
Subject: Sian Replying: Re: TRIM: FW: *FOI* Welsh Battle Sites. SAP 68847

Annwyl Tony.

First of all, I would like to seek some clarification. I have noted on your older O.S. maps that the Battles of Coed Lathan (1257) which took place near Carmarthen and Stalling Down (1403) which took place near Cowbridge were initially marked but not on later O.S. Maps. I have been wondering why this has happened? I would also like to know if the same situation may apply to other Welsh Battles on O.S. maps?.

1: Battle of Vyrnwy 24 Sept 1400.

2: Battle of Hyddgen. Early May 1401?

3: Battle of Bryn Glas 1402.

4: Battles of Ystrad Tywi July 1403. 'Haf Glyndwr' (Glyndwr's Summer)

5: Battle of Graig y Dorth 1404.

6: Battles of Grosmont and Pwll Melyn 1405 ''The Bloody Spring''.

Yn Ffyddlon

Sian.

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From: Tony Gray

To: s.ifan@ntlworld.com

Cc: Customer Services

Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:40 AM

Subject: RE: TRIM: FW: *FOI* Welsh Battle Sites. SAP 68847

Dear Sian

As the Royal Commission for Ancient and Historic Monuments Wales should hold the definitive list of Welsh battle sites and we do not hold such a list but do indicate battle sites, are you able to please provide a list of battles and their possible locations so that we can answer your enquiry?

I look forward to hearing from you shortly.

Best wishes

Tony Gray

Records Manager (Freedom of Information/Data Protection)

Ordnance Survey

Rm C363, Romsey Road, SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom, SO16 4GU

Phone: +44 (0) 23 8079 2540| Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 617648| Fax: +44 (0) 23 8079 2572

http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/ | Tony.gray@ordnancesurvey.co.uk

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From: sian Ifan [mailto:s.ifan@ntlworld.com]
Sent: 24 July 2008 14:02
To: Customer Services
Subject: *FOI* Welsh Battle Sites.

Dear Sir/Madam.

Could you please inform me as to how many Welsh Battlefields are:

1: Marked on your maps at present.

2: How many were marked on your older maps but no longer, and why not?

3: Are you likely to mark further Welsh Battle sites on your maps in the near future, and if so, which?

I would appreciate any information you can provide me with, including relevant maps on which above are, or were marked and if such are still available to purchase.

Thank You.

S.Ifan.

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